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Showing posts with label CRYONICS-- David Stodolsky-- Context for cryonics. Show all posts
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Tuesday, February 26, 2008

CRYONICS-- David Stodolsky-- Context for cryonics

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The basic
idea is that an ideological position held by many cryonicists is
incompatible with the success of the movement and may actually
contribute to their own destruction.

Probably the clearest expression of this was a comment on the List
about a person who was so concerned about preserving his money, that
this appeared to surpass his concern about preserving his body.
UNQUOTE

My comment-- yes I agree-- and this is most evident in the nutty scheme called perpetual trusts. And it's not just one guy-- it's a bunch of cryonicists who were written about in WSJ-- in Jan. 2006-- that shocked me-- and depressed me-- and transformed my view one whole discrete notch LOWER-- including my personal regard for people like Dave Pizer-- who promotes such schemes-- as OPPOSED to "intergenerational trust". Dave Pizer's view that we little net-worth cryos should support Alcor-- and that the future will take care of itself is DEEPLY flawed and I now view Dave Pizer's life-philosophy as fatally flawed.

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The often stated goal of the cryonics movement is to extend life.
However, it ignores the best documented approaches to do this. There
is a vast body of research on the social factors that lead to extended
life. By expanding the package to include these, many benefits could
be achieved. First, a direct benefit to members as a result of social
support.
UNQUOTE

My comment-- I agree but my latest theory about cryonics is that cryonics is a FRONT front for cryonics. In other words, there is a rogue ideological platform or virus in cryonics-- that is centered on money. THAT element has succeeded in brainwashing HONEST cryonicists into thinking that the center of the cryonics movement is cryonics. The LAST thing the monetary-oriented cryonics movements wants is "social" togetherness.

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t also shows that
the much sought after goal of revival of a human being is unlikely to
have much effect on peoples' attitudes toward cryonics. While this is
a highly counter intuitive result for anyone already within the
movement, it must be accepted before effective promotion of cryonics
can take place.
UNQUOTE

My comment-- I agree. And I came up that conclusion myself when Saul KEnt used that as a way of thinking years ago-- after his Cryonet series called-- The Failure of Cryonics. Saul kent isn't a philosophy. He is a "business man"-- and simply ought not be trusted in matters of philosophy. The idea that proving cryonics can work can lead to success for cryonics-- is only a theory. It could actually lead to more trouble. Besides the essence of cryonics is NOT reanimation-- but the provision of conditions for the possibility of reanimation-- THEN reanimation. Remember freeze wait reanimate? Whatever happeend to wait? Ev Cooper knew the truth. Saul Kent didn't. History will record that.

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Continued focus on the problem thru the economistic
lens, that sees only individual economic actors, which has been the
norm, will certainly lead to suboptimal results and may lead to the
destruction of the movement by socio-political forces
UNQUOTE

I like those Geico ads where the normal person tells us why they bought Geico and then the paid actor expresses it more forecfully or colorfully. I'll be the paid actor here-- "Wealth cryonicists are destroying cryonics".

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