CRYONICS-- Venturists-- 05-- Secret Ventureville continues?

It occurred to me over the past day or two that there may be a continuance of Ventureville after all... in secret. Dave Pizer's denial that Ventureville continues might be a stategy to prevent any further knowledge of Ventureville to outsiders. Everything I'm seeing is consistent with this notion. It's a fascinating idea-- an underground cryonics self-help group would be an excellent way to go.. other than for the fact that I myself have been kicked out-- or at least not invited. I'm pretty sure I'm onto something here.

The fallacy in that-- if it's occurring-- is that the entire move toward "city states" by the corporativist anti-US constitution people-- like Obama-Brzezinkski-- Shultz-Rohatyn-Pelosi-- etc... is that it represents feudalism-- and a destruction of liberty in the Renaissance sense. When I signed up for cryonics-- I did NOT sign up for the destruction of the USA... so-- the Secret Ventureville project-- if it exists-- and I'll investigate further, using heuristic reasoning and points of reference-- as well as watching for any empirical evidence-- ... if it exists, its misguided-- because cryonics needs civilization in a community of sovereign nation states....

For regular cryos who don't understand this entire dimension of conflict, help me find out more about a possible secret Ventureville at Creekside. Another secret cryonics area is SE Alaska where Doug Platt resides. He "escaped" there to avoid the effects of y2K-- it might have been a good idea because what we're seeing is actually M2k-- the destruction of the money and finance system of the world. He was adament about learning to fish, hunt etc.-- sort of a real life head of the hills libertarian type-- and supporter of Harry Browne.

Again, this is a mistaken tactic. My point of refernce is history and civilization.... American need to re-idenify true American history. I think there may be some of that streak of thinking at American Cryonics Society-- I'll ask Swank-- who posted to cryonet recently what his political views are-- and I might call up whats her name-- you know-- the nut who posted sex in the shower stuff on Cryonet. Not that I'm interested that but -- she's pretty loose lipped so maybe I can get her drunk enough to "talk"... a little PI work. Cryonics needs more private investigators and investigative journalists... not to mention loose lipped "friendly" women.

One thing about ACS and TT-- is that they haven'ed espoused political philosophy about America on their website-- so I would imagine that they're a dead end too. Kelly Moy will likely be similar-- a dead end. But... who knows? In the same time frame, I'll contact John Grigg-- a disappeared cryonicist who promoted Ventureville in a big way a years ago-- and who Dave Pizer apparently punched in the face-- and kicked out of Creekside-- with Mark Plus slamming Grigg's repuation on the way out. Grigg is mormon-- and with the recent Romney, and Larouche's "Romney walks out"-- article-- I might look at Mormons again as the ultimate american survivalist group. I don't want to be a mormon-- but I can be a Friend of the Mormons-- like that group called Friends of the Quakers. [+] Maybe the Mormons throught Transhuman Mormons will be friendlier to me and larouche and cryonics... I like their policy on dating women for one thing-- and I like that big mountain they have-- that's cool-- steel doors to the inside where they store records... [+] Maybe mormon cryos can store ln2 cryonauts in the same mountain.