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Thursday, March 6, 2008

CRYONICS-- Death-- Will-- withhold food and water?

I'm making out a will. The paralegal I'm working with is waiting for me to finish it but I can't because I don't know if I should have my medical proxy withold food and water if I'm terminal. What is the general advice as far as cryonics goes? Answer in my blog, right here. No log in needed.

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

You should be reading things like this before doing wills and such:

http://www.alcor.org/BecomeMember/toprotectyourself.html

Here are some relevant excerpts:

"In a Durable Power of Attorney for Health Care, you can instruct your medical surrogate about your wishes regarding end-of-life care, including your wishes regarding cryopreservation. Your surrogate is legally obligated to carry out your instructions. You can specify, for example, that no medical procedures be performed which would jeopardize your cryopreservation, that your death should not be artificially extended by any means which would tend to cause deterioration of your brain, that life support should be continued until an Alcor team can reach you, or that you should be transported to a place near Alcor. Alcor can supply suggested wording for your consideration."

",,, you could consider putting a statement in your advance directives such as, “If I am in a vegetative state, I wish life support to continue, but only until the Alcor standby team is on-site and has stated that it is ready. If I experience cardiac arrest after the Alcor standby team is ready, I do not wish to be resuscitated.”"

There now, we aren't such bad guys all the time, are we.

Rick Potvin said...

Thanks but the form I have has no option or extra lines for all those things that Alcor apparently suggests or that you just stated. I'd have to make up my own letter.

The Venturists turned me down in providing me with the ability to be a medical surrogate. Alcor didn't answer my email regarding being a medical surrogate. I don't trust anyone young than me. I certainly don't trust anyone older than me. I'm basically screwed and I'm left with either withhold food and water or not.

This is not to mention the psychological stress I've placed on myself by requiring of myself to get this will done-- requiring to ruminate on my own dying process-- something that was only theoretical up to this point.

No disucssion of these issues and the various angles on it ever takes place on Cryonet or the threaded forums.

But thanks for the pointer. As far as being nice guys-- I don't think so. I've been shut out of all cryonics forums and Google blogsearch under cyronics is off limits to me by your hand-- so exploring this issue with anyone other than you is impossible. I'm sure there were days that the Nazi's were nice to their prisoners too.

Anonymous said...

Phil0, just do it: "I wish life support to continue, but only until the Alcor standby team is on-site and has stated that it is ready. If I experience cardiac arrest after the Alcor standby team is ready, I do not wish to be resuscitated."

If your paralegal can't figure out how to put that into your will form, find another paralegal to do your will. I'm sure there are hundreds within a reasonable drive.

Figure out who will be your medical surrogate later if need be. That gives you time to become a nicer person who attracts real friends.

And sorry about that other thing, but Phil0, you know you are wrong, so stop blaming us. We can't let you give cryonics a bad rep to the public.

Your friends sometime in the future,

The CADC

P.S. Some of us might be on your suspension team. Be nice and play fair.

Rick Potvin said...

Now THERE is a good thoght-- thanks-- KEEP ME ALIVE UNTIL THE ALCOR TEAM IS READY-- this is a lesson take from the botched SA Inc case for CI-81--

Good thought... interesting...

I wish life support to continue, but only until the Alcor standby team is on-site and has stated that it is ready. If I experience cardiac arrest after the Alcor standby team is ready, I do not wish to be resuscitated."

That's worth thinking about-- and doing this month-- but more than that-- it's worth publishing on Cryonet-- and I'll think I'll now link a this thread to Cryonet--

I'm a nice person already-- as far as that goes-- it's just that nobody else is nice to me-- because of my Classical Humanist perpsepctive. As soon as I suggest that Globalism is baloney, I'm finished. Everyone is brainwashed into accepteing the New Imperial Order. I'm a resistor and even Larouche people don't call me because they can't poke at my wallet.

I'm alone in the universe with only CADC talking to me now. How horrible is that?

Incredible.

It's a good thing I believe in myself. Thanks for the codicil-- I really will "rush down there" to the paralegal with that new idea-- brilliant actually.

As far as defaming cryonics-- YOU guys really need to think through the "future"- because it's GOT to have nuclear power-- big time-- and it's GOT to sustain more than 6.5 billion people-- you have to re-evaluate everything you thought you knew about the future and about the American Revolution in light of Larouche's analysis-- ALL attacks on him that YOU say hurt cryonics by MY talkinga about in the same blog-- are PSYOPS-- intended slander to MAKE people hate the American Revolution-- cryonics CANNOT survive without the USA-- and the USA canNOT survive with Globalism... or floating currency exchange rates... you'll see-- and then in a year or two when we're all facing death, decay and destruction through bad policy-- you'll wonder if I was right-- and you prejudged me and my position.

MACROcryonics is like Macroeconomic-- it's the big picture.

But your eyes are glazing over , I know.

Anonymous said...

FTR, the paragraph I suggested you use came right off the article on the Alcor website, which I gave you the URL to up there. I didn't author it; somebody at Alcor did. But I will accept your apparent gratitude for having pointed you to it.

As to the mixing of politics with cryonics, we will continue to oppose it including practically. There would be better focus given to your political & related material if you had it on a blog just for that. You could give better attention also to a blog just for cryonics, like the Alcor reform one you have. Mixing them up is neither effective nor desiraable. How would you feel if Alcor said to the public and on their website and blog that you have to be a John McCain supporter in order to be a cryonicist and Alcor member? Get my drift?

You claim to be a nice person, but you are not being nice to cryonics by mixing it with any kind of politics, especially, well, you know ..

For the CADC

Rick Potvin said...

Well, you konw, there is a financial/monetary collapse underway, we're facing a 9/11 part II-- and to lead cryonicists and people interested in cryonics AWAY from the big picture-- which is real-- not simply "politics as usual" is one of the most damning acts of hell on earth I've ever witnessed in history-- you are highly irresponsible-- unethical-- satanic-- I don't even have words for your sort...

The paradox is that cryonics is supposed to take us boldy into the future intact-- and yet you disallow me from associating cryonics with the near term future of the financial collapse and its solution.

There IS no forgiveness on this point. You and your kind-- your group-- no matter what-- WILL face the deadly upcoming truth as the toilet water fills up around you AND all of cryonics-- AND the US and civilization. You have NO CONCEPT do you-- of the US dollar crash and of the neccessity of firewalling the banks...

The big picture escapes you now-- but as we ALL go down-- the big picture will descend upon you and your little reductionist/empirical enclave--

Your mind has been digitized and you don't even konw it. We live in an analog universe. Reality check... test 1 2 3....

This is one reason why religions exist-- religions are attempts to hammer together a big picture view of the universe and world affairs-- an escape from reductionist retarded people like you who keep humans locked in a fishbowl of specifics-- keeping their blinders on. I know what you represent... and I can tell you-- what you're doing won't work--

Analog reality outside this stupd digital blog-trap will make itself known-- through increasing systemic collapse of the system...

You and CADC are not fit for talking about cryonics-- becasue you're unfit for talking about the society in which cryonics lives and breathes...

You're actually part of the evil in history. I'm finished here-- I refer you to Larouche-- who is an organization-- not one man-- and they're making an impact and we're going to try to point people in the right direction...

When and IF we survive this crap-- I'll be back-- it might be 10 years or so...

or it might be never...

EVERY single cryo-- if you want to understand teh pscynology of cryonicsits-- rejects Classical ideas-- the Renaissance-- and cryonics-- if it took the wrong path as Bridge says-- took the wrong FRAME of REFERENCE-- because it can't work in a world without agape-- love of mankind-- and a world of peace...

Cryonics is a lot of things to a lot of people-- but one new thing I see clearly now is that cyronics is a response to personal death that tries to leave the world to itself-- it's a form of psychological suicide-- a form of psychosis-- a TECHNICAL response to FEAR... of being alone and dying forever...

Cryonics could have been different... It could have been made up of FUTURENAUTS-- who boldly go into the future-- and ENGAGE the world-- and SOLVE world problems-- and study world problems--

Cryonics is highly MISdirected-- by people like you--

Larouche isn't JUST Larouche-- he's one man who voices an entire system of thought-- Platonic- as opposed to Aristotelian-- It's just that speakng through one man is convenient... since the media is so full of noise--

The reference points to look at in Larouche are not the man-- but the ideas-- like the financial collpase-- and protection of banks... and stopping millions of foreclosures.. and an entire design and regulation of the fed that ends speculation and kicks the physical ecnomy-- water and electricity-- into gear again.

By rejecting this view for an ENVIRONMENT for cryonics-- you are, in fact, helping to kill cryonics. Contratulations to you and the Satanic brainwashed minds you represent... you will forever represeent true evil in my mind.

I don't have to tell you and CADC to go to hell because you're already WELL on your way-- and taking cryonics with it.

You sons of bitch. Damn you.

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