NOOCONTINUUM-- PhilOssifurr's Main Blog for 2008: CHRISTIAN HUMANIST CRYONICS-- vs. Trans humanist cryonics

Tuesday, January 1, 2008

CHRISTIAN HUMANIST CRYONICS-- vs. Trans humanist cryonics

The essense of C'y is the golden rule-- it can't be trashed. Other religions feature the GR too-- so it's not uncommon to regard man with dignity on a higher order than fucking animals. Transhumanists are anti-christian for the most part-- I hate that. I would dump th altogether. I've thought about this for a while and cryonics is perfectly compatible with Chrisitian humanism.

Christian humanism allows you to dispense with the mumbo jumbo, afterlife stuff and miracles. All that is "story line" to pursudae ignoramuses. But don't throw out the baby with the water-- because the esssence of c'y is to regard others as yourself. We can use that.

T'h's are aiming to upgrade themselves-- but they're wiling to do it at everyone else's expense. That's why they mostly trash the USA constitution, the General Welfare and go along with war and globalism. I hate that stuff.
The difference bwtwen Th'ser and CH'ers is in HOW we're going to do cryonics and life extension.

[+] Bhutto and implications of the assassination-- from a Christian Humanist perspective... today's reading in the "Christian Humanist Society". [+] [+]

Breakfast at FutureVille-- 7 a.m.-- Menu--
eggs, refried bean, toast/blueberry jam, guava and mango juice, oatmeal with flax seed, dried blueberry and prune.
FutureVille is not yet open but in planning-- within 30 min. of the Alcor lab.
Council meeting at 9 am.

Psuedonymn exposure-- I'll be continually looking at the ethics and legalities surrounding attempts to expose my i.d. behind my pseudonymn-- because in reality-- it's 50/50 in terms of whether thie is going to be a litigous or illegal act-- given the idea that a psuedonymn is buffer against potentially serious problems. For one cryo to do it to another-- indicates the anti-christian stance of that exposer-- which is perfectly consistent with anti-christianism.

[+] This vegetable bag thing looks really good to me-- Incredible actually. The future is here. Now it really does feel like the 21st century!

12 comments:

Anonymous said...: Well, PhilO, are you just dense, or simply uncooperative? Some of us think it is bad enough that you associate religion with cryonics, now you are again back to posting links to LaRouche on a cryonics page:

[+] Bhutto and implications of the assassination-- from a Christian Humanist perspective

I'll tell you what. If I don't see this blog here tomorrow at all, we won't bother to activate the one with the name you don't want us to mention, and have a nice little discussion on it about things like "Is LaRouche a Christian?" and plus a link to here of course. Surely you want your real persona to take full credit for your creative work?; January 01, 2008
Rick Potvin said...: Thanks for falling right into my trap. Congratulations... now you're on record for precisely what your problem is-- any Larouche-connected Classical or Christian Humanist analysis of world problems and Christianity. (not "fringe" topics).

I do not want my real name to take full credit for my creative work because people like YOU are out there-- and basically hate Larouche and are anti-Christian. People like you believe the 'ends justifies the means'-- and therefore there is no telling how far you'll go to suppress the expression of ideas you don't like. Maybe there's someone like YOU who is willing to go further than you-- in fact-- I know there are.

So now, here comes your NEXT test. YOU know that what I've just said it true. So are you going to expose ME to danger from people "like you" -- who resent Christianity and Christian HUmanism-- and who resent my freedom of religious expression in framing cryonics as being consistent with Christian Humanism? -- in other words.. the Luciferians?

I think you will. That's the test. You've threated to do it. You keep threatening to do it. No matter how carefully I word my position, you trounce me repeatedly... as if you're the internet police gastapo and the cryonics gestapo. Again, I wonder where you went to school or who you represent-- on a larger scale.

The Bhutto assassination is connected with the intention to break up Pakistan. That's that writer's position in EIR. That's the position that Larouche is putting out. I think there's truth to that.

I posted that news item in a way on my blog that did not connect it to cryonics-- but rather in the blog post under "other items".

So if you expose that realword name-- and if you keep exposing it-- then that's my queue to maintain my work on finding legal sanctions against people like you who MALICIOUSLY and UNNECCESSARILY expose real world people to dangers in the world as a result of holding certain views.

You can't frame it in terms of me wanted to take credit. Because the real frame here is that you KNOW I don't want my real name out there to insulate myself-- so your motive is NOT defending cryonics-- but defending your frame of reference for cryonics-- Luciferianism-- and Secular Humanism-- along with the junk that entails-- like Globalism, artificial intelligence and feotel stem cells.

Basically by publishing my real name as you threaten to do, you're setting me up as a target for who knows what-- and to ME-- that's evil-- hurtful to me personally and should not be tolerated legally. In the world of ideas, there is ned for that.

When I was a kid, there were these two brothers who lived down the street, Larry and Gary. They were a few years older than me and would taunt me as I walked by their house-- with their DOG... they would say to the dog-- "SIC 'EM!"-- and the dog would immediately get angry and come after me-- terrifying me-- as I ran--

What you're doing my exposing my name is unconsciounable... -- you're basically letting your friends know that I'm personally fair game and "sic em". Apparently my framing of cryonics with Christian Humanism-- (which is NOT a religion by the way but a political philosohy)-- is such a powerful thing that it threatens to upset your entire worldview.. and attacking me is your only hope of defense.

Don't do it. Fight ideas with ideas. If you think your frame is better, go ahead and write about it. But don't create an ongoing physical threat to me personally as a way to fight Christianity. That's tantamount to throwing the Christians to the lions-- just like the ancient Romans. That's precisly what you intend to do though, isn't it?... feed me to the lions...

You're a sick bunch of cryonicists. I read that page you intend to post. It could be JUST as effective by staying with the name PhilOssifur. Think about it-- and leave my realworld name alone. I signed up with Prepaid Legal to see if I can find a lawyer who will help me with this case against you. It might take some time of course. I'm legally and financially weak-- but as long as I maintain my effort, I think I can eventually discover who you are and legally stop you. Maybe not-- but I seem optimistic today.; January 02, 2008
Rick Potvin said...: DENSE vs. UNCOOPERATIVE vs. ?

Nore Ply gives me a choice of being

a) dense

b) uncooperative

but the fact is I'm

c) neither. All multiple choice tests in school had the option of all of the above or none of the above. Nore Ply didn't go to school apparently.

I'm trying hard to be cooperative to the extent I can be by making sure that the google alert doesn't grab my posts more than once a day-- to drop into Nore Ply's mailbox.

In terms of cooperating with him in framing cryonics from a Christian humanist perspective, however-- how can a Christian cooperate with the negation of his ability to speak. That's like cooperating with a kidnapper who duct tapes your mouth shut. So-- yeah I don't cooperate on that level... how can I cooperate with cutting my own internet vocal chords? It's like saying to Josef Mengel-- Yeah go ahead and experiment with my living testicles. Who in their right mind would cooperate with evil like that? Geez.

As far as being obtuse or dense-- that's not true. I'm one of the brightest minds in the world-- I know that for a fact. I can see evidence of it everyday. And I'm not speaking as an idiot savant but as a generalist. What Nore Ply refers to as "dense" here-- is that I'm not caving into his threats... although I udnerstand his threats-- and the problem of further problems beyond that. So no I'm not dense-- but today I have courage-- something the Lion wanted in Wizard of Oz.... Maybe tomorrow I'll lose that courage. Dunno for sure.

Anyway, the 3rd option is

c) truthful and true to myself....

And that's the answer I would circle if I could draw on this primitive anti-drawing forum. I would also draw a Hitler mustache on Nore Ply. And I'd draw antennas out the top of his head, the recievers that take orders from his higher ups to try to shut me up.; January 02, 2008
Anonymous said...: This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.; January 02, 2008
Rick Potvin said...: Anonymous said...
That is a little hard to do, not use your realworld name, when I have to mention here that the website in your honor is updated and back in public view:

http://xxxxxxxx.blogspot.com/

This time it will stay up a full 24 hours from the time we see you have removed the offending material from the internet.

One of our group suggested you try one of those vegetable bags on your head, as your brain must be getting a little overripe, not being able to see what you are doing to yourself here. That was not meant as an insult, just an observation.

Do the right thing for cryonics, xxxx. Take it down, now.

- The Committee

January 2, 2008 10:53 AM

LaRouche is a pseudo-politician with a cadre of cultish followers, who promotes pseudo-news items on his website that purport to link events together with little or no substantive proof, and links events to various unsupportable fanatical concepts. Many of his language constructs are complicated and unfathomable, probably intentionally so in order to give the impression of a high intellectual capacity, which instead he is truly lacking. Most people find LaRouche to not be credible.

MY RESPONSE-- Let the itinerant reader of this blog, if they exist, scan the RSS from Larouche Political Action committee and judge for themselves if it's complicated and unfathomable or not.[+]

The problem here, reader, is that Larouche's "cult" represents FDR-Kennedy-Lincoln-AlexanderHamilton-tradition in the USA... and is calling for the impeachment of Cheney, to stop the Iran attack, and is calling for a new Bretton Woods-- beginning with stable exchange rates with China. Now if proponents of that platform are going to be labelled a cult-- fine. I suppose every package of ideas can be labelled a cult-- the Rick Romney cult or the Hillary Clinton cult.... I suppose you could even have a football cult, the way I see college football pros being adulated and adored-- and paid.

With the election coming up-- it's pretty rediculous that a Committee of cryonicysts (the Cryonics Politburo?)-- is ordering me to dissociate my percieved future as a cryonaut and reanimated cryonaut from what I percieve to be a way to save civilization-- fixed exchange rates, good government, full cycle nuclear power plants etc.... so that cryonics can survive.

Nore Ply and his Committee are appearing to be more and more rediculous to me every day-- and will apparently make themselves the target of a deeper investigation very shortly.

Oh-- one more thing. For an image like a plastic bag over my head to even cross Nore Ply's mind is, for me, a vieled threat. We're all life extensionists here so to suggest I commit suicide-- is actually quite consistent with the anti-Christian (not just anti-Larouche) world view of the Cryonics Committee to Shut PhilOssifur Up. I'll be sure to highlight the plastic bag comment in my deposition.

So do the right thing, Nore Ply-- and don't publish my realworld name. You can change the name of your anti-me blog-- in your editor tools--- and you can say what you want about PhilOsssifur but not the real world name. That's litigous in my view and make sure I record as much of that as possible and use it against legally against you and your Committee-- So I hope none of you has very deep pockets-- I might start off with a lawsuit of... oh I don't know-- how about something reasonable like $50,000?

Where do you get your notion of what's "right" by the way? Don't pretent to tell me what's "right". In this case, I'm right. And you're wrong. YOu might have another reason for pushing me around like this-- but don't pretend you're right-- and that I ought to do the "right" thing-- which is succumb to your idiotic demand under thread of pseudonomic exposure.; January 02, 2008
Anonymous said...: With regard to your polite request that we not use your real name, Rick, we don't see the point, since you fail to cooperate with our polite request to not associate cryonics and hysteria in the same blog.

Do let us know how you make out on your litigation attempt. Two of us are lawyers, and both explain that you have to prove you have damages in any civil suit. What damages do you have, Rick? And if somebody does read your stuff and finds out it was written by you, who caused the damages, Rick? WE didn't write the stuff!

And you think you have a 50-50 chance. We think it is way less than that, but right now you have 100% chance of somebody finding your Richard B. Potvin blog referenced by google search, right next to your Christian Humanist Cry*** hysteria one. You can improve on those chances a lot, Rick.

Oh, and our associate who suggested the idea of putting the vegetable bag on your head, apologizes. It was a thoughtless remark, hasty. What he really meant to say, he says, was to put it on the other head, the one between your lets, that you think with. You will put that clarification in your deposition, won't you, Rick? We have some things for our deposition too, like the reference to putting a Hitler mustache on him. He is Jewish and resents such racist remarks. In fact, he says if it ever got that far, he would definitely countersue you. He is one of the lawyers I mentioned.

Speaking of countersuing, if you make enough publicity about this, not only will your real name get some real, major publicity, but some of the cryonics companies might find out about it and decide they should sue YOU for the harm done to their business by your associating cryonics with fanaticism. You can't get away with such defamation, Rick. Think about it, and your reputation too.; January 02, 2008
Anonymous said...: Hey, you know what - since Rick owns this blog and has the power to decide what is on it, he is tacitly giving his approval to use his real name, by allowing several comments above to remain here! The Committee now has this preserved and saved on public computers.; January 02, 2008
Anonymous said...: Don't interrupt the man, 'Non. He must be praying to the AstroJesus to tell him to take down this cryonics-defamatory blog.

Amen to that,

Rev. Chap; January 02, 2008
Rick Potvin said...: YOU-- our polite request to not associate cryonics and hysteria in the same blog.

ME-- bzzzt. False. Larouche is a universal historian who articulates Christian humanism. He's warning that the finanical system of the world is coming apart because most "money" is simply speculation numbers-- His theory is demonstrably true. Bank runs started in Britain-- the central banks ALL had to "create more money"-- which is going to make things worse. You, my stupid anti-friend, are simply either an agent or an incredibly stupid stupid dupe. It's really astonishing how you continue to demonstrate your stupidity with your persistance in attacking me-- and my buddy, Mr. Larouche.

YOU-- Two of us are lawyers

ME-- You idiot. You don't want me to find out who you are and expose you on CryoNet-- and yet you make what sounds like a valid confession. Okay boys-- let's find who the lawyers are who are in cryonics. (dickhead).

YOU-- And you think you have a 50-50 chance. We think it is way less than that,

ME-- Yeah, well cryonics has a pretty tiny chance too-- and I signed up for that. Come to think of it-- so did you. So both of us have something in common. We don't mind apparent low odds.

YOU-- We have some things for our deposition too, like the reference to putting a Hitler mustache on him. He is Jewish and resents such racist remarks

ME-- Another clue!!! Jewish laywers in cryonics. Good... the odds of finding you just went up. As far as the Hitler comment-- you can't possibly use THAT against me because my CONTEXT was that Hitler was a totalitarian and YOU are acting like a totalitarian. You're such an idiot laywer-- a stupid lawyer really- -if you think you can take THAT comment, RECONTEXTUALIZE it-- and use it against me. Context is everything, as Don Imus said--

YOU-- he says if it ever got that far, he would definitely countersue you. He is one of the lawyers I mentioned.

ME-- Sue me for what? I have no assets. I live hand to mouth. Whereas YOU guys-- HAVE something I can sue for.... $50,000 to start-- if you don't take that name off your site and replace with PhilOssifur.

YOU-- sue YOU for the harm done to their business by your associating cryonics with fanaticism.

ME-- Oh I see-- I finally get it. Cryonics IS a cult then!!! That means that I can counter counter sue ALL cryonics agencies and cryonics multimillionnaires for brainwashing me INTO the cryonics CULT, right? Yeah-- that would be great publicity... because most people thing cryonics is a cult ANYWAY-- so your move would be extremely stupid BEYOND any definition of stupid I've ever seen-- including the extended definition in 50 pound Webster's unabridged dictionary that needs its own rotating stand. Rotate on that yourself.

YOU-- You can't get away with such defamation, Rick. Think about it, and your reputation too.

ME-- Oh, and what reputation is that? Let me help you understand your problem okay? You think that I would fall for your stupid verbal tricks. I don't. For example, you use the word "defamation"... I have not defamed anyone... What I'm saying is completey protected under the US constitution-- which is that I believe cryonics would do better in a Christian Humanist frame-- and so would the USA-- and the world-- Christianity can accomodate all the problems see-- and mitigate them. Your attack on me is in fact a vieled attack on Christianity. I'll remind you that Christianity has been under attack for some time-- like a few thousand years??-- and that Lyndon H Larouche is a Christian HUmanist philosopher and economist. There is NO defamation going on, from my part.... and you won't successfully frame it that way-- not truthfully anyway... So continue your false frames-- because every example you give me-- is more ammunition for ME in my case against YOU.

I have a right to BE and to ADVERTISE the fact that I'm a CHRISTIAN HUMANIST cryoncist who believes Larouche's analysis of world affairs. He is NOT a hysteria maker and he is not a fanatic. Those are DEFAMATORY remarks made by YOU against him and his organization... because you don't LIKE his frame of reference-- not because h'es fanatical. You're PRETENDING and LYING that he's a fanatic and hysteria maker because YOU DON"T LIKE HIS ANAYSIS-- and THAT is the capital "T" truth.

The fact that cryonics is occupied currently MOSTLY with anti-Christians, and Larouche-haters is a big problem from MY point of view. I never expected that this is where I would end up-- in this seemingly paradoxical position. But I'm continuing MY work from university days-- where I independently asked myself questions about the USA-- about the world-- and about life in general... and it turns out that the core of my personality-- which is theoretically preservable-- is composed of Larouche-enhanced thinking-- as well all the good ideas in cryonics. I AM-- in essence-- a REALITY-- and I'm an integrated human being who is REAL and well-composed-- to an extent.

What you're doing is denying MY EXISTENCE. And you shall not do that.... not under the current Constitution of the United States of America. One of us is in the wrong country. I think it's you.

NOTHER NONYMOUS--
Hey, you know what - since Rick owns this blog and has the power to decide what is on it, he is tacitly giving his approval to use his real name,

ME--
Wow-- another bozo idiot cryonics guy-- what a fool you are. The mechanics of this primtive sofware don't allow me to edit comments so I have to go in, cut and paste-- and I HAVE removed the name-- see the xxxx's-- ??? -- and the new posts just haven't been done yet. It's cumbersome-- if you post real world names MORE-- I'll just shut down comments until I get caught up--- in fact that's a hell of a good idea. YOu guys have been harassing me for a couple days now-- so it's time to shut you off. I thus command you begone.

REV CHAP
tell him to take down this cryonics-defamatory blog.

ME
cryonics defamation-- that's a good one. I'll tell you something-- you won't believe me-- but I'll tell you anyway. Cryonics is both an idea and a fledgling little industry of sorts. Cryonics as an idea can't be "defamed", in the first place. Secondly, even if it could be, YOU guys in transhumanism are the ones hurting cryonics... see-- I think cryonics has NOT grown much BECAUSE it's been occupied by transhumanists when in FACT-- the truthful place for cryonics is as an intersection set between religion and technology.... THAT is what makes it so exciting. YOU guys have taken that excitement out of it... and have DELAYED the growth of cryonics for many years-- decades in fact...

Cryonics IS-- in fact-- a pseudo religious idea-- that occupies that little memtic hole in the mind-- where you FIND religion. The last issue of Cryonics magazine goes on and on about "marketing" cryonics-- this is a fallacy... you don't "market" cryonics-- becuase there's nothing to "sell". I'm a salesman, ok? Trust me on this-- cryonics has NOTHNIG to sell. Nothing. And it won't-- for a very very long time.

What we HAVE-- is a belief. Just like a religion. The paradox YOU guys face-- is that here you apparently want cryonics to grow-- you want more "members" -- whatever that is-- you want more people-- and every day I see THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of people watch stupid stupid stupid football games-- and every Sunday, I see MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people going to SUPER CHURCHES--

and cryonics has maybe 1,000 people--

What's wrong with this picture? Alcor hired a brainwashing firm-- they call them public relations agencies-- these guys use "behaviorism" based on original experiments done by the Nazis'... that's wher public relations came from, don't ya know? -- and it works to an extent-- at least to the extent that behaviorism works. But behaviorism only goes so far with a human being-- because a human is more than a dog or monkey-- although we wake up feeling that way. The CHURCHES know that. Why can't CRYONICS know that?

Cryonics is a QUADI-RELIGION-- and constitutes what can be a DESIGNER religion-- remember the designer phase of pop philosophy??? YOu all likely remember designer DRUGS-- right? Well apparently you didnt use the RIGHT designer drugs-- if you HAD-- the leap of FAITH idea in cryonics would INSTANTLY hit you between the eyes as a QUASI RELIGION-- cryonics is a TECHNO-religion in that sense-- we believe in cryonics, we hope it works and we think it will.

If you want cryonics to succeed-- beyond what nazi-originated public relations animal behaviorism can do-- then you have NO CHOICE-- if you're intellectually honest-- to reconsider framing cryonics as a quasi- or technoreligion-- a designer faith--

This has NEVER been seriously attempted and I'm saying let's try it. My position is that I firmly believe in the odds cvyronics offers-- I think Saul Kent is a failure-- MOSTLY a failure-- because his thesis that cryonics won't "sell" until he DEMONSTRTES that it works-- is false. Cryonics is SUPPOSED to motivate people in terms of its POSSIBILITY-- not it's actualy working-- alhough of course we work to make it WORK-- but the more fundamental idea is the PROMISE-- the HOPE-- the FAITH-- and if we add CHARITY and CRHISTIANITY-- and INTEREST IN WORLD AFFAIRS-- as guided by Lyndon Larouche-- and interest in long life for EVERYONE--through the Hill Burton policies-- and anti-war-- ideas-- and internatinal cooperation etc-- we become true working futurists...

What I'm proposing here is HUGE-- I'm suggesting that we face a fork in the road ahead-- represented by TRANShumanism-- and CHRISTIANhumanism. The reason for your hatred of ME-- the essence of ME-- the composition of ideas that I have assembled-- is because you're all mostly looking at that TRANShumanist road-- which is consistent enough with where you're at-- whether or not you're a card-carrying transhumanit-- and I'm proposing a frame of refernence COMPLETELY different-- as John Cleese used to say on Monty Pythin-- and now for something completely different...

The issue of God for example, becomes interesting again if you take MY fork branch ahead-- and there IS room for a God-concept-- a scientific religion-- that says-- "we don't know what ultimate reality is composed of"-- and "it could very well be that there IS a background radiation of SUPER CONSIOUSNESS in a superentity that hides itself from obvious exposure"-- there's nothing WRONG with that "IDEA" as an IDEA...

But it doesn't affect what we DO as cryonicists. In fact, if I take the charitable view-- I could say that I understand all your fears-- but there is nothing to fear here-- and only something to gain-- which is making cryonics comfortable for Christians-- like me-- and sharing the ESSSENCE of Christianity-- the Golden Rule-- in it's unperverted interpretation-- with others-- and to extend that rule in the political realm in terms of working for the advantage of the other--

Research on the net with respect to the Golden Rule shows that this idea has been basically formulated in many world religions-- and that by finding things in COMMON with others-- we can get along-- AND make our particular angle in terms of cryonics MORE attractive.

I'm personally interested in doing this-- because I myself am signed up for cryonics-- and I see myself-- my identity-- and personality-- as having been shaped by cryoincs AND Lyndon Larouche. I exist. I'm integrated. I'm apparently a phenonmonon-- but didn't plan it that way-- I simply pursued ideas that make sense to me... and I find myself being villlified...

You have to understand something here. What I've done is DISCOVER a position. The position existed BEFORE I disocvered it.... I'm simply articulating it-- as a discovery. The disocvery is that Christian Humanism as articulated by Larouche is CONSISTENT -- does not contradict-- cryonics or life extension. I've emailed Larouche himself-- and although he's not adamantly procryonics or pro-radical life extension, his answer ACCOMODATED those ideas- without being anti-cryonics or anti-redical life extension.

That's something. It's a starting point. As for starting points,you guys really got me going this morning. Is Chap chapman? Are you married yet? Got a boyfriend?; January 03, 2008
Anonymous said...: You can go ahead now and disable comments, Rick. We have your diatribe recorded. It will make interesting material for the honorary Richard B. Potvin blog, with appropriate explanatory commentary, of course. Wait - were you thinking again about taking this blog here down completely? The deal is, remember, 24 hours from the time we see that done, the other one goes down too. See how easy that is?

Sgt. at Arms for The Committee; January 03, 2008
Unknown said...: Hello Phil.

Looks like you've encountered some true fascists, reminds me of Nazis breaking the the windows of the businesses of Jews. This is very sick stuff, but Lyn himself has faced much worse, they've tried to kill him twice and sent him to Jail. Good luck to you, you represent our movement in a very accurate light, and I hope you don't become intimidated, and continue to post our stuff. Doesn't sound to me at all that this crap phases you.

good luck in court, bankrupt them! their money is useless anyway!

Lewis, Larouche Youth Movement.; January 04, 2008
Rick Potvin said...: Thanks Lewis--- See that Nore Ply? Hope you do because the jig is up-- as they say. The money system is "gone"-- as of last July-- and the rescue attempts are being nailed into place... beginning with China--

I wouldn't want to see anyone bankrupt-- all I'm trying to do is steer frozen cryonics minds in the direction of truth-- and prevent damage to myself as I go about doing that.

And Lewis-- have you ever thought about cryonics? After we redirect the course of history, I'm planning to approach 21Cs&t about doing an article on cryonics and nanotech--; January 04, 2008

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